We took a week off the podcast so we could prioritise our time working on something new that had come up. In this episode we share what that is, and how we realised that we’d not been in alignment with ourselves when we first put together our collaborative coaching package! We talk about how it feels to not be in alignment, and how different the energy can feel when you shift to acting in a way that IS in alignment with yourself.
We talk about some big shifts we’ve made to our collaborative coaching offering, and you can read all about this/play our mini adventure to find out more! Play the Collaborative Coaching Adventure here
Discussed in this episode
- Realising that our coaching offering was feeling out of alignment and being driven by external shoulds
- Leaning into a new radical approach
- Breaking away from the “norms” of coaching packages
- Trusting ourselves and our clients
- Our new coaching adventure; giving you an idea of what working with us is like
- How to tune into what feels exciting and connected, and when we are doing things out of obligation
Links and Resources
You can play the Collaborative Coaching Adventure here
Make your own interactive storytelling tool using Twine.
There are some examples of interactive stories on the Coney website.
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Course correcting when you realise you’re out of alignment
[00:00:00] Ellen: Welcome to Create Shift where we have conversations to encourage and inspire positive change. Hosted by me, Ellen Carr
[00:00:11] Kate: and me, Kate Banks. Together we run The Good Space, a place for alternative learning and radical wellbeing.
[00:00:17] Ellen: If you’re ready to rip up the rules and create a life in which you can thrive, then this is the podcast for you.
Hello. Hello. We are back. So we took a week’s break from the podcast, um, unplanned, but we were responding to what was coming up. And this is what we’re talking about in this episode, basically. We are talking about our experience, uh, with recently putting out our collaborative coaching package that you would have heard us talk about in previous episodes and maybe even had a look at sales page for.
And then just going, actually, this isn’t it, um, and changing it, you know? And, and how will we, we felt into that and how we kind of realized that we were doing something that was more in line with external shoulds and quote unquote norms than what felt in alignment with us. And, that actually we needed to make a change and how that has felt different from the very moment we started talking about that change that we wanted to make, how energetically that felt so different.
And we’re sort of using this as an example to hopefully inspire you, uh, to check in with kind of the decisions you’re making in your own life and work around whether they’re in alignment with you or whether they’re trying to fit in with the external shoulds, because things never work when we’re, when we’re doing it out of alignment with ourselves.
Um, it would be easier if they did, but they don’t. So that’s what we’re chatting about today. And, uh, I think I just did an amalgamation of chatting and chatted anyway. That’s what we’re chatting about today and yeah, I hope that you enjoy it. Please do go and have a look at our new coaching adventure sales page, because it’s really fun.
We talk about a new program that we’re using some new software that we’re using to make our sales pages and kind of just tear up the rule book. You know, it all feels a bit radical and exciting, and that is what we’re about in The Good Space, you know, creating life that exists outside of those norms of society that can kind of do its bit in a radical, but you know, maybe mostly quiet, um, way to, to start changing things. Um, and that’s what this feels like. Also just a little note to say that I did have some issues with my audio on the recording. Um, well with my internet actually. So I think there’s a tiny moment where it drops out, but Kate said it still made complete sense. So you’re not missing anything key, obviously what I’m saying. And so sorry about any issues that you hear and yeah, I hope you enjoy it.
So we were just saying that it’s been a while since we’ve recorded the podcast. And I’d forgotten what to do. Um, and, uh, people may have noticed that we didn’t put an episode out last week, um, because we, we moved things around in our schedule so that we could work on something that came up for us last week.
And that was my intro, Kate, jump it and say something.
[00:03:35] Kate: And it was quite an interesting one last week because we also talked we’ve started, um, having celebration Fridays. So we talk about our wins and our near wins on a Friday. And that was the big change last week that I just felt so excited that we got to the point where there was this new thing that we wanted to do, we wanted to work on. And although there was the plan of doing the podcast and the newsletter and all the things that we had in our diary for the week, instead we just ditched all of that and said, no, let’s just work on the thing that’s really exciting right now. And I love the way that we just kind of went with it and started creating something really magical and that we both were getting really excited about. And we’d like to talk more about that today.
[00:04:22] Ellen: Um, yeah. So we were going to use the example of what we were doing last week and sort of why, because it’s a really good example of talking about, um, like when you’re doing something the way you think you should do something, versus when you’re doing something that then feels in alignment with you and, and what feels good, you know, which is what we’re all about, trying to support people to do. Um, so I feel like, is my audio going funny?
[00:04:55] Kate: No only when you touched the microphone, it’s fine.
[00:04:57] Ellen: Why? I just touched the microphone. Okay. Hopefully it’s fine. So, yeah. Okay. Do you want to unveil what we’ve been doing?
[00:05:09] Kate: Well I think the idea came up where we were having one of our daily chats and we don’t have, don’t often have daily chats over zoom like this. Um, and we normally just use voice notes to communicate. And we talk at a time that suits us during the day. And it’s a way that we’ve been working together since we started on The Good Space and it’s felt really kind of aligned and it works for us. It just allows us to tune in when we’ve got something important to say, and it doesn’t need to be responded to straight away. And we’re just working around other things that going on in our lives, how we’re feeling. Um, and it’s, for me, it’s been kind of quite a fundamental change in how I communicate and how I work and it’s this slower pace, but also by taking that time in between our messages, it means that we can process all the information and respond more mindfully. And it’s just means that stuff gets done more, I want to say productively, I hate that word, but it just feels so much more productive to work in small bursts like that, and spread over a day.
And we were having, and we were talking about, how that our coaching package that we’d put out, wasn’t feeling very exciting and we weren’t, we were excited to do it, and we’re excited for the people we were going to work with, but the process of doing the sales page and the marketing wasn’t feeling exciting. And that led us on to thinking about how do we feel excited to work and how could that transpose into our coaching package?
[00:06:53] Ellen: So actually I think, um, it wasn’t necessarily just like for me, just the kind of doing the sales page and the marketing that felt not exciting. It was, um, there was some sort of like block, uh, that, I could feel around the coaching and it wasn’t like a, like you said, like, it wasn’t like, I wasn’t excited to do it.
Um, but there wasn’t there wasn’t, uh, it kind of, there was like a sense of maybe like a little bit of heaviness or challenge around it and like, sort of like physically. And when we started talking about, uh, the way that we’ve reshaped our coaching, um, and we started talking about those ideas on the voice notes, like you said, they was just, for me, I felt like this, this real shift in energy and, and it felt like the energy there was like this momentum and it was flowing and, and suddenly this thing that had been a block, like as if there was a dam in a river that, that had then been released and the water was flowing.
[00:08:13] Kate: Yeah, and it suddenly felt really easeful. But I think when we’re first talking about putting together the three and six month packages, there just seems to be lots of, kind of constraints in our minds about what happens when your theatre proposal comes through and you need to do more work on that, and how do we balance the sessions with my school holidays and, there just seemed to be this focus on all the reasons why it was going to be tricky. You know, what day are we going to have it, what time we’re going to have it, and then when we switched on to the new model, I don’t think there’s been really any negativity. It’s just felt really joyful and really free. And. It’s combined quite a lot of things that we’re both very excited about at the moment, we’ve been doing some techie work this week, which has been really fun. And we’ve been talking about how to bring Open Space into our coching, which is something we’ll talk about on another podcast cause that’s a whole other subject. Yeah. So. It’s meant we could combine lots of things that wouldn’t necessarily be in your kind of typical coaching package that a lot of people are offering, but it just feels really good for us as a way to work and hopefully will appeal to some other people as well.
[00:09:30] Ellen: Yeah. And we will, people listening will be like, stop being so secretive. What are you doing? We are going to explain it, but I guess a few points I wanted to pull out, um, for, for everybody listening, uh, one being, you know, uh, if, if some things that you’re doing, whether that’s in your, kind of your just regular life, whether it’s in a business that you run or a project that you’re working on or your work or whatever, if something is feeling, if there is feeling that some sort of sense that there’s like, it’s not quite flowing properly, or you’re not getting maybe the results that you want or things aren’t happening the way you wanted it is a really good time to, to tune into how you feel and your body, and to notice if there is any sense of lack, a blockage or a resistance or anything like that. Um, and then, you know, if you then start playing with thinking of different ideas or thinking of things in a different way, then again, tuning into your body and how does that feel?
Because that can help guide you, your body energy, your sensory experience, your felt experience can guide you towards doing what is really in alignment with you. Um, so that’s, that’s the one thing. And then the other thing the, to say is that like you know, so we’d really got stuck in the shoulds of how you should do coaching packages.
And, you know, we talk about that quite a lot in our work. So you, sort of like letting go of the shifts in society and things, and, and they’re everywhere. There’s these like, you know, quote unquote norms, it’s the way you do things. And, and like you said earlier, the three and six months packages for coaching, that’s one of those norms.
And we, I guess, like, we sort of felt like we were breaking the norms, so doing the collaborative coaching, but we hadn’t quite gone far enough into doing it how we wanted to do it.
[00:11:37] Kate: Yeah, and I think it’s also important to say that doing things differently doesn’t necessarily mean doing what we’ve done, which is basically throw it all up into the air and just make something completely, well, let’s say compete different. That is completely different. Um, it could just be doing something in a different way. Like this week we’ve used a new tool, which has seemed really exciting and I’ve been really enjoying doing that. So it might just be that making those changes or just doing something in a slightly different way rather than doing something completely different.
[00:12:09] Ellen: I think. Yeah. I think it’s in a way that embraces and allows all of who you are or as much of obviously yourself as possible. So I think like you touched on a good point earlier when you said we were thinking about the sort of coaching packages, how we had them set up, you know, that like you work with us for three months and you have a call every week.
Like, how will that work if I get theatre work? You know, if I don’t know if everybody listening knows, but I, I make theatre. Um, as well as, as doing this, I’ve got a theatre company and we’re always applying for funding and things. And, and that’s, you don’t know until you get the funding in when you’re going to be doing the work or whatever.
Um, and also sort of like, I’ve never really enjoyed the kind of thing where I have to show up every single week, the same way. Um, and yet with coaching, I was like, well, that’s just what I have to do. And I do want to coach people and I want to work with people in that way, so there you go. Um, And, you know, you’ve got, you’ve got two children, you’ve got school holidays, like, you know, being a mother to your children is part of, of you who you are and what you do and how you show up in your life.
And like, again, it’s like, well, how do you fit that around school holidays and all of this sort of thing, or, um, if the kids are off that you have to be off or, you know, whatever. Um, and, and so. So let’s talk about what we’re doing so that we’ve got the new, the new way that we’ve kind of reshaped our coaching.
And we’ve got the way that we’re working the sales page. And I think both of those are exciting and both of those allow us to be more of who we are. So let’s, let’s talk about them.
[00:13:49] Kate: Um, which ones you want to start with?
[00:13:50] Ellen: Shall we start with the coaching, what the coaching package offering is?
[00:13:55] Kate: Okay. So this leans into a lot of how we like working with each. And I don’t know if the listeners have heard of Voxer. So this is an app that we’ve used as part of our group coaching program. And also as other coach programs that we’ve both been in ourselves and it’s kind of like a walkie-talkie app, but you could, um, do the same sort of stuff that you do in WhatsApp.
So you could exchange video and audio and text messages, pictures, and then if the other person’s on line at the same times, you can just use it as a walkie-talkie to have a conversation. Um, and yeah. It’s nice, you don’t have to exchange phone numbers, you can just use it on email addresses. So it’s quite a nice way to work with clients.
And we were thinking it’d be really nice to open up a day or a half day where a client could contact us as much or as little as they want during that time. And we’d been having a conversation about; how do you know when you’ve got what you need from coaching and the feeling of, for when you’ve got an hour with a coach of trying to squeeze the most out of it. If you’ve paid for an hour, it’s trying to get as much as you can, when sometimes you get the insight you need after five minutes, then you know what you do for the rest of the time. How do we make it okay, that just having five minutes is okay? You know, it’s enough. And we thought that open it up to having a day or a half day on Voxer, would allow that flexibility that someone can come and get that insight in five minutes then go and do some work for the rest of the day, let it simmer, see how it lands with them. And then come back a bit later on for something else or to ask some questions. And I know for myself, I tend to process things in slower time. So I struggle to come up with answers very quickly in an hour session. But if someone asks me a question, I go away and go for a walk or do something else that, that, that answer will come. I just need to give it some time.
So yes, it was to give, to give that allow, allowing, to do things in the timescale that suits us, but also to fit in with your day. So if you’re working full time, you can still have a day of coaching because you can access that during your breaks, the start of the day or the end of the day, when suits you, we can share of all sorts of movement practices, meditations, lots of different ideas from our tool sets. Um, yeah. What else did you want to add? Anything else that, I’m or, I’m just talking about?
[00:16:28] Ellen: Yeah. So it’s a lot about, um, trust, uh, has been a big thing that we’ve spoken about kind of allowing or not allowing. We outsource so much in our society. You know, be that physical wellbeing. And sometimes that’s necessary obviously to go to the doctor or whatever. Like sometimes you need to do that, but we do outsource a lot of our physical wellbeing. We often outsource our sense of self, our, um, uh, confidence or validation in ourselves as sort of, that’s sort of how we’ve been taught to be.
And, uh, that can echo through, into, into that the coaching space of, of outsourcing our ability to make change or our confidence in ourselves, or the fact that we, you know, being able to do something that we want to do. Um, and so I, I guess it’s just a little bit of that, like you said, you know that trust that I’m getting what I need from this.
So you show up to the day and it’s not like you have to talk to us constantly to all day. Um, but that, that you, you start to trust yourself that like, this is what I need to ask. That’s what I needed to hear or no, that’s not quite what I needed to hear. And need to go on to ask a follow-up question and then like, something gets said and like, oh, okay that feels really interesting, I’m just going to sit with that for a while and just let that be there. So it’s just giving you a sort of allowing you to have that space to trust yourself again. Um, Which is really important, I think. And, um, and that’s why we’re not doing this on a three or six months package basis.
You don’t have to sign up for a certain number of sessions. You sign up for one; a half day or a day, and then, you know, you might do some work from sort of exercises we send through you from that, and you might do those and you might think actually I want another session. Um, in a couple of weeks, I’m going to book that in.
But you might also just as easily think God, that’s such a big thing. I’m going to work on that for, you know, however long it needs. And that takes six months. And then you’re like, oh, now something else has come up or I want to go deeper with that. So you book another one in six months later. So it feels like a little bit of a radical, and also do I want to say anticapitalist, I’m going to do, I feel a bit nervous saying that, but yeah, it just felt like that, uh, sort of way of doing things as well. And, and so then we have to trust that people will come when they need to. And it’ll all work, work fine. Um, and it enables us to work in the way that we want to work as well.
So we don’t have to sit on zoom all day. We could go out walking in the forest or like, you know, whatever, um, and still be there, uh, and, and we’ll work better like that. So it is really embodying for us, kind of our beliefs about work and what work has to be and can be and things. Um, and you know, it’s not new, like we didn’t make up a day of Voxer. Other coaches do this. So, you know, like case that it’s not just reinventing things, but I guess it’s, it’s not from what I’ve seen the norm for people to just do that. Uh, as their offering.
[00:19:53] Kate: Yeah, it tends to be, you know, something that people offer as an add-on, but we were quite keen, it, you know, the trust piece was quite big. That we trust ourselves and we trust what we can offer and we trust the client. And that’s an important distinction for me that we’re not saying the only way you’re going to make transformation is by signing up for six months, that’s a really great industry standard for making change.
You know, as Ellen said, that change might just come from one question in the first half an hour, you spend with us. It might come at the end of the day. It might come after 10 sessions, but it’s putting in that trust in you to decide when is enough for you, when you need a break, what you need.
[00:20:37] Ellen: Um, and I think really allowing that you said before that, holding that space so that, you know, there’s so much placed on that. You’ve gotta deliver X amount of value, you know, on the people offering courses and coaching and things. Um, whereas this feels like it does hold that space, uh, you know, for, if it is just one thing that comes in and then I sit there, that’s fine. That’s great. And like, rather than feeling like I have got to really ask loads of questions and I’ve got as a coach, got an offer loads and loads of exercises and value and all of these different things you can try, um, to fill this time and to really make it feel like it’s been something great.
It allows you to go deeper and it, it brings in a, some simplicity perhaps. Um, Which I think is, is quite radical as well.
[00:21:35] Kate: I mean, how it’s incredibly, increasingly complex world where, you know, so much of us are so overwhelmed by everything that’s going on in our lives. I mean, how wonderful to be able to do coaching that feels simple.
[00:21:48] Ellen: Mm mm. And to trust that whatever, whatever you get from it is what you needed. Yeah. So, so yeah, so that’s, that’s our kind of reworking of our coaching. That’s what we’ve been working on. And as part of that, obviously we’ve been working on the sales page and, uh, we looked at the sales page we had, and you know, we’ve, we’ve still kind of kept sort of a lot of that.
So we looked at it and we’re like hmm this, this feels a bit not so exciting. It feels like what you’re meant to do. And, um, I have known about this software, which is called Twine and it’s open source software. Anybody can use it, uh, it’s storytelling software, it’s like story games, uh, sort of about choose your own adventure style things that you can make through sort of coding basically. And Kate and I both really like things like coding and websites and stuff like that. And I know about twine through my theatre world, I guess, uh, so there’s a company called Coney who are really great and they, uh, make a lot of, uh, well especially recently, a lot of digital, um, work, uh, which is game play really, um, game play storytelling, and they use Twine a lot. So I sort of introduced to it through them and then did a workshop on interactive theatre making, which, which introduced Twine. Um, and I’ve always been into this idea of bringing more of the kind of theatre making side of things into the coaching space.
Cause that’s exciting to me. And so that’s, you know, we’re using Twine to make our sales page. And that’s just like, ah, so exciting. So that’s what we’ve been doing the past week. And that’s why we didn’t, we decided not to make the podcast. Cause we had to sort of learn this new software and stuff. Um, Yeah. Do you want to say anything else about that Kate?
[00:23:48] Kate: Yeah, I was just going to say that we first started talking about using Twine for, um, a little program that we want to put out at some point called Little Changes. So we’ll talk about that in a future podcast. And that lends itself quite nicely to this storytelling kind of process. And then it just became this moment of oh, we really fancy playing with that, why don’t we do it for the sales page? Um, we looked at some examples and they’re really simple and straightforward and it’s a nice mix of text and audio and you can choose your own path. Um, yeah, we just felt it really kind of aligned with our vision for how we want coaching to be.
So for those of you that like reading that is going to be kind of more sales pagey type stuff that you can click through to, but there’s also audio there. You can listen to us talking about what we would like to do and our aspirations.
[00:24:40] Ellen: Yeah. And, and, you know, there’s a little sort of small sort of visualization type things and exercise. It’s interactive. It’s an interactive, uh, playable sales page. How exciting is that like, saying that it’s this amazing, um, So, yeah, that feels cool. And as you can tell, it excites us and it feels exciting and you can feel that in your body. And so I think, again, that just goes back to what we were talking about before of connecting to what feels in alignment with you.
And you can feel it, you can, and I guess if you’re not kind of in practice of connecting to the body in that way, uh, you know, maybe, maybe just start tuning into your body when you’re doing things that you really love doing and notice how that feels in your body, because then you start to understand the language of your body.
And so, you know that when things feel this way, this means I’m really excited by this. I really enjoy it. It’s giving me a pleasure or a flow state kind of thing. Okay, great. So then when you start to think about ideas, and this can be for anything. And you know, that you could be planning a holiday, you could be, um, planning how to work on a project at work.
You could be, uh, organizing some fun activity for your kids. It’d be anything. Um, but what, what is it that gives you that feeling? Maybe deciding what to cook for dinner? You can do anything and start to check in like, well, how can I make decisions that are more aligned with when I went, what’s given me this feeling in my body.
And additionally, or alongside that you tuning into when you are doing things that feel like you’re doing them because you should do them. You’re doing them out of responsibility or not responsibility, obligation, I guess the word we all have responsibilities obviously, but, um, yeah, you’re doing something a certain way, because that’s the way it’s being done or whatever. How does that feel? And then, and then you just start to notice and then you can just pay attention to two things. Yeah. Anything else to add?
[00:26:45] Kate: Is there anything else we want to talk about the coaching?
[00:26:49] Ellen: Yeah, I think that was it really, I think, which is…
[00:26:57] Kate: Yeah, I was just gonna say, you can book the day or the half day with us. Um, we’ll have all the details on the website. We’ll pop a link in the show notes. And actually, we’d love to hear how you find the adventure, because it’s something that we want to use this process in a lot more of our coaching, um, offerings. So it’d be interesting to see if yeah, if you find it fun as well.
[00:27:20] Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. That would be really interesting. Yeah. Um, and if you’ve got questions as well about the coaching, you can email us on firstname.lastname@example.org. You can also find us on Voxer. And so if you want to just drop us a note on Voxer, we’re just at TheGoodSpace on there. Uh, this info, it will be on the page as well as the sales pages and things.
So you can just drop us a voice note if you’ve got any questions before booking on, then you can go ahead and do that. So, yeah. That’s what we’ve been up to and we’d love to know. Yeah. Well, how you find everything and, and if you, if you sort of do these exercises and what kind of comes up for you in terms of feeling how you’re feeling in alignment or out of alignment, um, get in touch.
All right. Thank you for listening to Create Shift. We hope you found it inspiring and supportive.
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